What am I doing wrong with Smoke Bomb?

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January 12, 2012 at 12:16 am #11012
Decoy	I’m playing Manhunt. On offense: I approach target and drop smoke. He drops smoke immediately afterwards, walks over, and stuns me. He usually has five or six teammates that drop smoke just as I’m getting up to stun me again. On defense: Obvious pursuer approaches. I drop smoke. He runs through it anyway and kills me without even the option to contest. I’m sure I’m doing something wrong, but I don’t know what. I never seem to be able to use Smoke (or Mute, for that matter) successfully. Is it lag? Are my bombs filled with powdered sugar? Is it simply because I haven’t crafted the ability yet?
January 12, 2012 at 5:18 am #11018
Lord Dodo	powdered sugar should do the trick as well ;) I don’t really know it, I mostly play Simple Deathmatch =D
January 12, 2012 at 6:36 am #11021
Dipneuste	Your main problem on offense is having your opponents cheating and being in a team of 7 instead of 4. More seriously if you want to do offensive smoke, throw it. And if they’re going for the stun lock, you can press whatever button allow you to change profile to get away once you’re stunned. On defense maybe you’re dropping your smoke too late, don’t wait until is within the range of the smoke bomb but when he’s going to enter within it. It’s also a possibility that your timing is correct but the game wants you to die, it happens quite often.
January 12, 2012 at 8:23 am #11022
JustLikeFM	The fact that you have not yet crafted your ability yet, doesn’t help. The fact that you don’t have the extra range and/or duration on your smoke bomb makes a lot of difference.
January 12, 2012 at 1:12 pm #11025
Toraka	If you suspect lag, you should drop it the split second earlier that you suspect the delay to be. Maybe try loading up Training Grounds and then catching NPCs with JUST the edge of your Smoke Bomb. It really does help. Cause if you let them come any closer, they might have the chance to kill you. Also, Charge appears to make you immune to Smoke.
January 12, 2012 at 5:57 pm #11027
Decoy	Throwing seems like a good idea, and something I’m going to have to practice. I always seem to fumble with the controls when I try to throw stuff, even in single player. I’ll also have to save up the credits to start crafting my abilities. Is it true that once you hit level 50, you get credits faster? Finally, does anyone know why sometimes there’s a dodge animation and sometimes there isn’t? There are definitely times when I dodge an attack in the cloud but don’t seem to have the opportunity to stun afterwards. I don’t know if I lose the lock (or never had it in the first place) or if there’s a delay to stun after a dodge. It just seems like there are a lot of non-obvious interactions between abilities and split second windows that create a lot of frustrating moments where you don’t think you should have died but the game decides otherwise.
January 12, 2012 at 11:16 pm #11039
WiNGSPANTT	When you dodge, you’ll notice your highlight (not the cursor) sometimes shifts. The player you want to stun should have a faint white glow around him/her. Lock-ons can help ensure this. When you hit 50, you get more credits because I’m PRETTY sure you get extra credits for getting new levels. Once you pass 50 you will level from 0-12 VERY FAST and get lots of extra credits.
January 13, 2012 at 5:31 am #11055
ShinryuRQs	For the defense, as soon as you know who your pursuer is, hold the button you use for smoke bomb to throw it at them; don’t wait for them to get close. This approach doesn’t work though, if they run at you instead of being subtle. If they are one of these people who just run at their targets, drop the smoke bomb (remember the delay of the smoke bomb dropping), and walk AWAY from the pursuers, to the edge of the smoke. That way, they won’t be able to get those really shitty kills, where they get the kill prompt before they reach the smoke. This should stop the issue you’re having with the defense. For offense: If there are two of them in a group together, throw the smoke bomb at them (but be close before doing so), then you do a short run; 0.5-1sec one (won’t affect the subtle meter too much). You do the little run, because walking to them won’t get you both kills. This works if you’ve crafted the longer duration of smoke bomb. If you haven’t crafted it, combine with mute to kill both. If there is 1 target, I just mute and kill. This gives me a clean, simple kill. You just need to remember how large the mute radius is. If you utilize the range, they won’t be able to smoke/mute you. You can also smoke, but you need to know what kind of target you’re up against. If he likes to lure and then smoke/mute you, throw the smoke. If he sits there and hopes you don’t see him, drop it beside him, but not so close, that he gets the stun prompt. And hell, even try for a focus with those kind of kills. If there is 3+, it’s unlikely you’ll be able to kill all three of them without getting stunned. This is where you use your team to synchronise smoke bombs. But if you are a lone wolf, throw a smoke bomb and go down with a couple of kills under your belt. Hope this helps. Sorry if I explain like a tard. :) - Jarod.
January 17, 2012 at 3:43 am #11142
Decoy	Jarod, these are some great points, and I’ve been able to utilize them in Manhunt to some effect. The problem, I’ve realized, is that in Manhunt, people are much more vigilant and prepared for smoke bombs, especially on offense. Good players (and there are a lot of them playing Manhunt, partied up) will take precautions on approach to avoid getting smoked, which is something I haven’t mastered yet. That said, I played a bunch of Deathmatch tonight for the first time in a while, and it seems that my smoke bomb practice has paid off. Funny; give your target an objective besides just looking for you, and it becomes a lot easier to pull off advanced tactics like smoke-focus-poison. I know this because in the second match I played after I created a poison build, I outscored the lobby by 4500. It also doesn’t hurt that you’re less likely to be playing against 7 prestiged players in a Deathmatch lobby.
January 17, 2012 at 5:18 am #11144
ShinryuRQs	Yeah, as I was saying above, manhunt is a team game. If they have a couple of good players who team up and synchronise their abilities, you’ll be nailed. Unless you team up as well, that is. A method I use with good teammates, is the old bait-trick. You get two people hiding in the same group as eachover, making sure they out in the open (bait team). You then get 1 or 2 others to hide by themselves in out-of-view groups, and throw smoke bombs, just as the enemy drop the smoke bombs in the bait group (this ruins the enemy’s smoke straight away and protects the bait team). You then run in (be cautious of the enemy’s lingering smoke) and start a stun parade, letting the bait team drop smoke, as soon as they’re able to, thus extending the stun parade. This nearly always works, as enemies just charge in when they drop the smoke bombs, thinking they have your team by the balls. It’s a great source of points. You will eventually die, when you exhaust your team’s 3-4 smoke bomb durations, but the points you’ll get will be well worth the single death. But this being said, your team actually needs to communicate or at least know how to work with a team. Point is, if they team up and you guys don’t, techniques and methods I’ve told you might not do a lot of good.